Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/03/2004 02:25 PM House FIN

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                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       March 03, 2004                                                                                           
                           2:25 PM                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 TAPE HFC 04 - 41, Side A                                                                                                       
 TAPE HFC 04 - 41, Side B                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
 to order at 2:25 PM.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative John Harris, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Kevin Meyer, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                   
 Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                      
 Representative Hugh Fate                                                                                                       
 Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                  
 Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                     
 Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                    
 Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                      
 Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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 ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Linda Perez, Director,  Administrative Services,  Office of                                                                    
 the Governor; Tom Irwin, Commissioner, Department of Natural                                                                   
 Resources;  Nico   Bus,   Acting   Director,  Division   of                                                                    
 Administrative Services,  Department of  Natural Resources;                                                                    
 Pete Kelly,  University  of  Alaska;  Pam Varni,  Executive                                                                    
 Director, Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 23rd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 23rd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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LOG SPEAKER                DISCUSSION                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
      TAPE HFC 04 - 41                                                                                                        
      SIDE A                                                                                                                  
000 LINDA           PEREZ, Explained that the majority of the                                                                   
      DIRECTOR,            increase in the Office of the Governor's                                                             
      ADMINISTRATIVE       budget is due to the transfer of the                                                                 
      SERVICES, OFFICE  OF Office   of   International  Trade   from                                                            
      THE GOVERNOR         Department of Community and Economic                                                                 
                           Development. There have also been general                                                            
                           fund  increments for  additional employer                                                            
                           costs of 5 percent.                                                                                
126 Ms. Perez              Discussed the three budget amendments,                                                               
                           which  relate  to  the  transfer  of  the                                                            
                           Office of International Trade. There is a                                                            
                           net increase of $119 thousand.                                                                     
197   Representative Croft  Questioned the  justification for  a  20                                                            
                           percent  increase  in the  Office of  the                                                            
                           Governor.                                                                                          
236 Ms. Perez              Reiterated that the majority of the                                                                  
                           increase in  the Office of the Governor's                                                            
                           budget  is  due to  the  transfer of  the                                                            
                           Office   of   International  Trade   from                                                            
                           Department   of  Community  and  Economic                                                            
                           Development. There is also a $2.3 million                                                            
                           for the statewide primary and election.                                                            
241 Representative Croft Questioned if there have been decreases.                                                             
258 Ms. Perez              There have been small decreases. There is                                                            
                           also a 5 percent increase for PERS.                                                                
311   Representative Croft Clarified   that  PERS  would   be  fully                                                            
                           funded.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                           DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                  
504 TOM             IRWIN, Commented    on    reductions   to    the                                                            
      COMMISSIONER,        Department's budget. He expressed his                                                                
      DEPARTMENT        OF pride in the department's accomplishments                                                            
      NATURAL RESOURCES    and  pointed out that  the state's future                                                            
                           resides in resource development.                                                                   
635   Commissioner Irwin   Emphasized   that   the   department   is                                                            
                           focusing  on natural gas  pipeline, which                                                            
                           is  Alaska's future. He reviewed  some of                                                            
                           the   department's   accomplishments.  He                                                            
                           emphasized the need for more exploration.                                                          
1048 Commissioner Irwin  Discussed        reductions     to      the                                                            
                           Commissioner's  office. He  noted that  a                                                            
                           second  deputy commissioner was  added to                                                            
                           take  care of  oil and  gas  issues. This                                                            
                           position   is   on   the   Stranded   Gas                                                          
                            negotiation   team.  The   other   deputy                                                           
                            commissioner handles the other activities                                                           
                            of the department.                                                                                
 1229 Co-Chair Harris       Questioned what would not be funded with                                                            
                            the $650 thousand reduction.                                                                      
 1245 Commissioner Irwin    Noted    that   one    of   the    deputy                                                           
                            commissioners would not be funded at $140                                                           
                            thousand.  He  added  that   the  special                                                           
                            assistant/legislative liaison would  also                                                           
                            be eliminated.                                                                                    
 1314 Representative Croft  Observed that  there is  no general  fund                                                           
                            left in the Commissioner's office.                                                                
 1425 Commissioner Irwin    Agreed and  pointed out  that the  impact                                                           
                            without leadership is not the way  to run                                                           
                            a business.                                                                                       
 1431 Representative        Stressed that the funds can be move                                                                 
      Chenault              within the department. The intent was to                                                            
                            find a 10 percent reduction. He  spoke in                                                           
                            support     of     the     Subcommittee's                                                           
                            recommendations.                                                                                  
 1555 Representative Croft  Concluded   that   the    reduction   was                                                           
                           unallocated.                                                                                       
 1620 Commissioner Irwin    Maintained that the impact would  be felt                                                           
                            regardless of where it is taken. He spoke                                                           
                            in  support of  the  Governor's  proposed                                                           
                            budget.                                                                                           
 1656 Co-Chair Harris       Observed that the department's budget                                                               
                            contains $45  million in general fund  as                                                           
                            proposed    by    the    Governor.    The                                                           
                            Subcommittee reduced the proposal by $3.5                                                           
                            million.                                                                                          
 1743 Mr. Bus               Reviewed    the    reduction    to    the                                                           
                            Administrative   Services  Division.   He                                                           
                            stressed that the department has tried to                                                           
                            create  efficiencies in  past  years  and                                                           
                            would  have  a hard  time  absorbing  the                                                           
                            reduction.                                                                                        
 1852 Co-Chair Harris       Clarified that the reduction was not                                                                
                            considered   as    a   department    wide                                                           
                            reduction.                                                                                        
 1918 Representative Croft  Questioned  if  the  PERS   increase  was                                                           
                            funded.                                                                                           
      Bus                   Clarified that they did not receive                                                                 
                            additional  funds for  the  general  fund                                                           
                            portions of the department.                                                                       
 1930 Mr. Bus               Spoke to the reduction in the Information                                                           
                            Resources   Management   component.    He                                                           
                            emphasized  the importance  of  the  work                                                           
                            done within the component.                                                                        
 2014 Commissioner Irwin    Discussed  the Oil  and  Gas  Development                                                           
                            component. He stressed the  importance of                                                           
                            the  component  and  observed   that  the                                                         
                           department  would have  to decide  if the                                                            
                           reduction should be spread or if projects                                                            
                           should be dropped.                                                                                 
2120  Commissioner Irwin   In  response  to a  question by  Co-Chair                                                            
                           Harris,  Commissioner Irwin  reviewed the                                                            
                           activities of  the Division. The Division                                                            
                           must  be  able  to  defend the  state  of                                                            
                           Alaska's  position  regarding  agreements                                                            
                           and payments from oil companies.                                                                   
2236 Co-Chair Harris       Questioned if the department utilized                                                                
                          contract work.                                                                                      
2241  Commissioner Irwin   A lot of the data is done in house due to                                                            
                           confidentiality issues.                                                                            
2314  Vice-Chair Meyer     Agreed  that observed the need  to find a                                                            
                           balance between  contracts in the need to                                                            
                           protect  confidentiality.  He  questioned                                                            
                           what  is being  done to attract  more oil                                                            
                           companies to the state.                                                                            
2416  Commissioner Irwin   Companies need  to know that the state is                                                            
                           serious.  The department provides reports                                                            
                           and  data to  companies. Oil and  Gas are                                                            
                           the state's revenue opportunities.                                                                 
2625 Vice-Chair Meyer      Referred to North Slope projects. He                                                                 
                           agreed  that  in  house staff  should  be                                                            
                           utilized   when  confidentiality   is  an                                                            
                           issue,    but   observed   that   outside                                                            
                           contracts take  advantage of the greatest                                                            
                           expertise.                                                                                         
2657  Commissioner Irwin   Noted  that there were 4 -  5 projects on                                                            
                           the  North Slope.  He thought  that there                                                            
                           would  be 8 -  9 projects tied  into Cook                                                            
                           Inlet.  The legislature needs  to provide                                                            
                           incentives and there needs to be access.                                                           
2744  Commissioner Irwin   Observed    that   the   Alaska   Coastal                                                            
                           Management Program was transferred to the                                                            
                           department  and   noted  that  almost  50                                                            
                           percent  loss in  positions. The  rate of                                                            
                           pay  was reduced for  many positions. The                                                            
                           ACMP   has  function  despite   of  these                                                            
                           reductions and  are on schedule. He noted                                                            
                           that   it  is  hard   to  find  competent                                                            
                           personal  at   the  pay  scales  offered.                                                            
                           Observed that the impact of $116 thousand                                                            
                           would  cost  four more  positions in  the                                                            
                           Alaska  Coastal Management Program. There                                                            
                           would be an automatic increase from 50 to                                                            
                           90  days for  permit reviews.  Noted that                                                            
                           reviews  would  be a  25  percent cut  in                                                            
                           project  review coordinators. There would                                                            
                           be  215 fewer reviews out of  860 done in                                                            
                           the  last year.  He spoke  to  funding on                                                            
                           expedited reviews.                                                                                 
3142  Commissioner Irwin   Discussed  fund switch  of  large project                                                          
                            permitting from  GF to the Land  Disposal                                                           
                           Income Fund.                                                                                       
 3302 NICO   BUS,    ACTING Discussed the $542 thousand  reduction in                                                           
      DIRECTOR,    DIVISION Claims, Permits and Leases.  Claims would                                                           
      OF     ADMINISTRATIVE be   slowed   down   by    the   proposed                                                           
      SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT reductions. Leasing and  permitting would                                                           
      OF            NATURAL also be adversely affected. This is a                                                               
      RESOURCES,            significant reduction.                                                                            
 3430 Mr. Bus               Reviewed   reductions   to   the    Title                                                           
                            Acquisition and Defense component of $106                                                           
                            thousand. He observed that there would be                                                           
                            longer  processing   time  for   industry                                                           
                            seeking  to use  the  state's  resources.                                                           
                            User fees do not  support this component.                                                           
                            There  would be  an increase  in  backlog                                                           
                            time  on title  reports processing.  Fund                                                           
                            source change would significantly reduced                                                           
                            hydroelectric project support.                                                                    
 3608 Mr. Bus               Reviewed the reduction to the Forest                                                                
                            Management and Development component. The                                                           
                            reduction would  result in  a 12  percent                                                           
                            reduction  in  offerings  by  the  state,                                                           
                            which  would result  in fewer  sales  and                                                           
                            less  income to  the  state.  Inspections                                                           
                            would be down  by 7 percent and  training                                                           
                            would be reduced, increasing the  risk of                                                           
                            violations. Training of 12  interims from                                                           
                            the Anchorage School District  would also                                                           
                           be impacted.                                                                                       
 3837 Co-Chair Harris       Questioned how much forestry work is done                                                           
                            in the state of Alaska.                                                                           
 3846 Mr. Bus               Observed that the Governor has been                                                                 
                            working to  support the  issue. He  noted                                                           
                            that  the state  offers  as much  as  the                                                           
                            federal  government  and  has   meet  its                                                           
                            goals.                                                                                            
 3907 Co-Chair Harris       Asked    if   there    would   be    more                                                           
                            concentration  on  opening  the   Tongass                                                           
                            National Forest for logging?                                                                      
 3922 Commissioner Irwin    Affirmed  and  stressed  that   there  is                                                           
                            potential of success.                                                                             
 4001 Co-Chair Harris       Noted the importance of expanding the                                                               
                            state's timber industry.                                                                          
 4030 Commissioner Irwin    Agreed and noted that work is going on in                                                           
                            Southeast  Alaska on  starting  a  veneer                                                           
                            plant.                                                                                            
 4041 Mr. Bus               Reviewed the reduction to the Geological                                                            
                            Development  component.  He  noted   that                                                           
                            engineering geologists would be impacted,                                                           
                            which  would expose  the state  to  risk.                                                           
                            Geological maps and reports  for industry                                                           
                            would also be impacted.                                                                           
4223 Co-Chair Harris       Asked if aerial mapping for mining has                                                               
                          been proposed.                                                                                      
4229 Mr. Bus               Noted that there is a $200 thousand                                                                  
                           capital request.                                                                                   
4241 Mr. Bus               Discussed    the    reduction   to    the                                                            
                           Agricultural Development component, which                                                            
                           would delete  funding for the seed potato                                                            
                           project,   $120  thousand.  The  Governor                                                            
                           asked for an increment.                                                                            
4325 Co-Chair Harris       Observed that one position is responsible                                                            
                           for the program and questioned what would                                                            
                           happen if that person retired.                                                                     
4354 Mr. Bus               Stressed that there are others that                                                                  
                           support  the position  and  expressed the                                                            
                           hope that it would continue.                                                                       
4418 Mr. Bus               Reviewed the funding switch in Fire                                                                  
                           Suppression.  He noted that  an increment                                                            
                           of  $250 thousand was requested for heavy                                                            
                           air  tanker  contracts.  This would  take                                                            
                           away  air  tanker  support,  which  could                                                            
                           result in higher suppression costs.                                                                
4455 Mr. Bus               Reviewed the reduction to state parks. He                                                            
                           observed   that   the  discussions   have                                                            
                           occurred and  concluded that the transfer                                                            
                           to  public support is too  much too fast.                                                            
                           He  pointed out that closures  in 14 more                                                            
                           units   would  have  to   be  considered.                                                            
                           Revenues  would  be loss  and health  and                                                            
                           safety   issues  would  arise   from  the                                                            
                           reductions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                           TAPE HFC 04 - 41, Side B                                                                         
4630  Representative Joule  Asked if federal funds would be lost due                                                            
                           to the reductions.                                                                                 
4536 Mr. Bus               Affirmed that there would be impacts from                                                            
                           the reductions; the Coastal program would                                                            
                           lose almost 50 percent.                                                                            
4449 Mr. Bus               Discussed the Governor's proposed budget                                                             
                           amendments.  He discussed  line item  97,                                                            
                           $10  in federal  funds from  the National                                                            
                           Park Service to assist in ANILCA.                                                                  
4419 Mr. Bus               Reviewed Item 98, $637,800 GF in the                                                                 
                           Office    of   Habitat   Management   and                                                            
                           Permitting  to replace  unrealized inter-                                                            
                           agency  receipts  and designated  program                                                            
                           receipts.   Staffing   was  reduced   and                                                            
                           anticipated  statutory designated program                                                            
                           receipts were not realized.                                                                        
4230 Co-Chair Harris       Concluded that Department of Fish and                                                                
                           Game sent positions without funding.                                                               
4211 Mr. Bus               Responded that the total budget is $3.6                                                              
                           million. They need $600 thousand more. He                                                            
                           observed  that the department anticipated                                                          
                            that the  personnel would be  transferred                                                           
                            at an entry level, which did not occur.                                                           
 4032 Mr. Bus               Discussed Item 99, $125 thousand in                                                                 
                            Claims, Permits, Leases for the expansion                                                           
                            of  Bureau  of  Land   Management  survey                                                           
                            agreement in Bristol Bay.                                                                         
 4009 Mr. Bus               Reviewed Item 100, $35 thousand for a new                                                           
                            project with US Fish and  Wildlife and is                                                           
                            all federal funds.                                                                                
 3953 Mr. Bus               Observed that Item 101 would provide $80                                                            
                            for the seed potato program.                                                                      
 3941 Mr. Bus               Discussed Item 102, $150 thousand GF to                                                             
                            buy  scientific  assessments  to  collect                                                           
                            research.                                                                                         
 3900 Co-Chair Harris       Questioned how ANWR funding would be                                                                
                            utilized.                                                                                         
 3847 Mr. Bus               The Governor would like the state to have                                                           
                            an opinion on various issues  relating to                                                           
                            ANWR.                                                                                             
 3817 Co-Chair Harris       Questioned if a lack of research was at                                                             
                            issue  in  regards to  would  change  the                                                           
                            outcome.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                            UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                            
 3735 Co-Chair Harris       Observed that funding for University of                                                             
                            Alaska   has  remained   the  same.   The                                                           
                            Committee is contemplating funding in the                                                           
                            capital budget.                                                                                   
 3701 PETE           KELLY, Acknowledged that there has been a                                                                  
      UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA commitment not to reduce the budget from                                                             
                            the FY 04 amount, but stressed that there                                                           
                            has been  an increase in students.  There                                                           
                            has  been   a  36  percent  increase   in                                                           
                            enrollment in the last four  years. There                                                           
                            were 2,000 extra in the last two years.                                                           
 3795 Mr. Kelly             Observed industry has contributed to                                                                
                            program  support, which  has allowed  the                                                           
                            university to be competitive.                                                                     
 3357 Mr. Kelly             He   felt   that   programs    would   be                                                           
                            jeopardized if  they were  forced to  cut                                                           
                            back, which would  result in the loss  of                                                           
                            students and faculty.                                                                             
 3300 Mr. Kelly             Loss in research funding would result in                                                            
                            a loss of federal funding and faculty.                                                            
      Co-Chair Harris       Clarified that $8.8 is needed to cover                                                              
                            increases on  PERS and  TRS and $10.6  to                                                           
                            remain even on operations.                                                                        
 3208 Mr. Kelly             Stressed that some inflationary costs                                                               
                            would still not be included.                                                                      
 3036 Co-Chair Harris       Asked if changes to the retirement system                                                           
                            would provide relief.                                                                             
 3024 Mr. Kelly             Explained that the changes to the                                                                   
                            retirement system  would  be a  long-term                                                         
                           impact.  There  would  be no  benefit  in                                                            
                           short  term.  They university  went to  a                                                            
                           Tier IV plan.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                           LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS AGENCY                                                                       
2903  PAM VARNI, EXECUTIVE Observed  that the  proposed Subcommittee                                                            
      DIRECTOR,            budget represents a 6.3 percent reduction                                                            
      LEGISLATIVE  AFFAIRS from  the Governor's budget. She observed                                                            
      AGENCY               that the Legislative Affairs Agency's                                                                
                           request   represented  an  $889  thousand                                                            
                           request.    She   observed    that   data                                                            
                           processing  was  reorganized  and a  full                                                            
                           time position was eliminated in the LIO.                                                           
2701 Ms. Varni             Noted that a one-time item for the Joint                                                             
                           Legislative  Salmon  Task  Force of  $177                                                            
                           thousand  was eliminated.    In addition,                                                            
                           removing  the  Alaska  Energy Task  Force                                                            
                           eliminated   $78   thousand,   $538   was                                                            
                           eliminated  from  the  Council  of  State                                                            
                           Governments annual meeting.                                                                        
2638 Ms. Varni             There was a $14.4 decrease in legal and                                                              
                           research  services due to  the retirement                                                            
                           of  two long-term  attorneys. There  is a                                                            
                           small  increase of  $1,800 to  the Ethics                                                            
                           Committee for personal services.                                                                   
2628  Representative Croft  Noted that there  was a decrement  of $1                                                            
                           million    in    legal    expenses    for                                                            
                           redistricting  and questioned why  it was                                                            
                           kept in the FY 04 base.                                                                            
2604 Ms. Varni             Responded that there were no expenses and                                                            
                           that  the money  would be  lapsed at  the                                                            
                           Chairman's request.                                                                                
2525  Representative Croft  Questioned   if   PERS   expenses   were                                                            
                           included.                                                                                          
2517 Ms. Varni             Clarified that the PERS funding was                                                                  
                           included  at  a  cost  of $1.173  in  the                                                            
                           Legislative Affairs Agency budget.                                                                 
      ADJOURNMENT          The meeting was adjourned at 3:35 PM                                                               
                                                                                                                                

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